Re: Devotion...

Jacky,

This is just simply a drop-dead gorgeous piece of playing/recording!
Are you trying to make it hard for people like me (a mere mortal) to
upload some of *my* music? <g>

One thing you might want to share, if appropriate: since Galunlati
I've admired the way you do stereo spreads on your hand percussion -
it seems like one drum tracks to both channels with a bit of delay.
Do you have specific mixing techniques for the percussive parts that
you would care to share with the list?

One thing we can all learn from Jacky is that how well a piece is
recorded and mixed (obviously this is not intended for those works
headed for live performance necessarily) can have a huge influence on
how people come to know a piece. Jacky's pieces are always cast in a
very fine light, in this regard (as well as MBA's pieces...)

Wow, this place is gathering some very nice music!

Warmly,
Jon

--- In MakeMicroMusic@y..., jacky_ligon@y... wrote:
> Devotion to Friends...
>
> Devotion to Love and Peace in their purest distilled and myriad
> forms...
>
> I give you Devotion - an excerpt from CD work in progress - found
in
> our very own files section.
>
> Here I improvise on a flute tuned to 41 Limit Just Intonation:
>
> 1/1
> 41/39
> 41/37
> 41/35
> 41/33
> 41/31
> 41/29
> 62/41
> 66/41
> 70/41
> 74/41
> 78/41
> 2/1
>
> And in a tuning forum first, I play the frame drums: Tar, Riq, 18"
> and 24" Bodhrans and Wrist Jingles.
>
> Enjoy - and with Many Bright Refracting Blessings and Rays of Love
> and Bliss to All,
>
> Jacky Ligon

I enjoyed listening to this piece, as I did to the music on
_Galunlati_ (sp?) and on the Tuning Punks site. One thing that
strikes me is that most of this music sounds not xenharmonic, but
rather like finely-inflected 12-tET or diatonicism. For example, the
scale steps in the scale above are (in cents)

86.58
91.139
96.204
101.87
108.24
115.46
116.49
108.24
101.87
96.204
91.139
86.58

So in essence you have, in this instance, a 12-tET circle which is
stretched on one side and compressed on the other side. Very organic,
for the types of melodies you're playing. My question is, have you
created any music using scales or intervallic structures which are
incompatible with 12-tET or diatonic thinking? If so, can we hear it?

Paul,

--- In MakeMicroMusic@y..., "Paul Erlich" <paul@s...> wrote:
> I enjoyed listening to this piece, as I did to the music on
> _Galunlati_ (sp?) and on the Tuning Punks site. One thing that
> strikes me is that most of this music sounds not xenharmonic, but
> rather like finely-inflected 12-tET or diatonicism.

But it is still microtonal, which is all that we are interested in!
Need the composers pass a "xenharmonic litmus test"?

> My question is, have you created any music using scales or
> intervallic structures which are incompatible with 12-tET or
> diatonic thinking? If so, can we hear it?

As near as two weeks ago (before we here at MMM were born), Jacky
posted music based on a prime series scale as well as a larger scale
based on the Golden Mean. Around this time, or very shortly before,
he posted two short pieces, one in 15-tET and one in 17-tET.

It may be that Jacky would be happy to repost them here, but I would
prefer to have YOU post a piece before asking him to put up anymore!
He's been doing a lot of sharing lately!!

I know you are curious about any other excursions that Jacky may have
gotten dusted-up in, but Paul, the time has come for you to put the
tape recorder in front of that famed 22-tET (or was it 31?) guitar
and give us something to listen to.

Whaddya say? Pretty please?? :)

List-Mom (who likes the "Creating" part of our title...)

--- In MakeMicroMusic@y..., "Jon Szanto" <JSZANTO@A...> wrote:
> Paul,
>
> --- In MakeMicroMusic@y..., "Paul Erlich" <paul@s...> wrote:
> > I enjoyed listening to this piece, as I did to the music on
> > _Galunlati_ (sp?) and on the Tuning Punks site. One thing that
> > strikes me is that most of this music sounds not xenharmonic, but
> > rather like finely-inflected 12-tET or diatonicism.
>
> But it is still microtonal, which is all that we are interested in!
> Need the composers pass a "xenharmonic litmus test"?

Of course not! I was just wondering!
>
> > My question is, have you created any music using scales or
> > intervallic structures which are incompatible with 12-tET or
> > diatonic thinking? If so, can we hear it?
>
> As near as two weeks ago (before we here at MMM were born), Jacky
> posted music based on a prime series scale as well as a larger
scale
> based on the Golden Mean. Around this time, or very shortly before,
> he posted two short pieces, one in 15-tET and one in 17-tET.
>
> It may be that Jacky would be happy to repost them here, but I
would
> prefer to have YOU post a piece before asking him to put up
anymore!
> He's been doing a lot of sharing lately!!

I didn't know this was going to be so difficult! Johnny Reinhard
promised to send me the recording from the Microthon, and I promise I
will make it available for you all to listen to as quickly as
possible. In any case, I was just asking Jacky out of curiosity, and
because the musical examples I did hear from him whetted
my "appetite" for even more "xen" sounding stuff. This shouldn't be a
competition, or construed as expressing competitiveness in any way!
If it came across that way, I am truly sorry. And if I haven't put up
enough music to be deserving of membership in this list, I'll
understand . . .

>
> I didn't know this was going to be so difficult!

Hi Paul

I have a great idea. Why don't you turn some of that relentless
curiosity and intelligence towards learning how to set up a home
digital recording studio. Then you would be able to make your own
recordings easily and participate with the rest of us.

I'd be glad to help, either Mac or PC, and I'm sure Jacky, as well as
others, would also.

. And if I haven't put up
> enough music to be deserving of membership in this list, I'll
> understand . . .

Working towards setting up a home studio certainly would make you an
equal member here.

Actually I am starting the construction of a freestanding recording
studio, and would like to share the process with this list. I have a
lot to learn about acoustics. Perhaps you, or others, could point me
in the right direction.

Respectufully,
Mary

--- In MakeMicroMusic@y..., nanom3@h... wrote:
> >
> > I didn't know this was going to be so difficult!
>
>
> Hi Paul
>
>
> I have a great idea. Why don't you turn some of that relentless
> curiosity and intelligence towards learning how to set up a home
> digital recording studio. Then you would be able to make your own
> recordings easily and participate with the rest of us.

It's been in the works for some time. My keyboardist Ara and I have
been planning, for several months now, to move all his equipment into
my spare bedroom. I call him every day . . . I'm calling him right
now. As it stands, I have no computer at home, and even my microphone
is stationed elsewhere (for recording my 12-tET band Stretch) . . .
meanwhile, lots of listenable microtonal material is just around the
corner, between the MAD DUXX CDs I sent John Starrett and the
Microthon material I'm awaiting from Johnny Reinhard . . . thanks for
the offer!

(Ara isn't answering his phones right now)

Again, I hope that my comment to Jacky didn't come off as a
criticism -- it certainly wasn't -- it was just an expression of
enthusiasm, fueled by the musical examples he presented.

Mr. Paul!

(exclamation point courtesy of Kraig Grady, supplier of fine
exclamation points since 1994...)

> Of course not! I was just wondering!

Yes, I figured. But I wanted to point out, as I did, that he *has*
posted stuff that was more... xenharmonic.

> I didn't know this was going to be so difficult!

Tis not difficult at all, my friend.

> Johnny Reinhard promised to send me the recording from the
> Microthon, and I promise I will make it available for you all to
> listen to as quickly as possible.

The Maestro is the bottle-neck? For shame! :)

> because the musical examples I did hear from him whetted
> my "appetite" for even more "xen" sounding stuff. This shouldn't
> be a competition, or construed as expressing competitiveness in
> any way!

That's fine. We talked, before we started up this group, about *not*
wanting a competitive spirit, but one of "actively sharing", so I
think we are all on the same page on this subject.

> And if I haven't put up enough music to be deserving of membership
> in this list, I'll understand . . .

Not at all, we want you! Think of this as pro-active encouragement.
In a reply, Mary suggested spending a little energy to a
home/computer studio environment. Dan Stearns was in a similar
situation, so I took a look at what I could find, not for cheap, but
for _free_. In approximately a 1 meg zip file, I can send you both a
simple to use PC recording program that will work with pretty much
any sound card with a line in, and a public domain mp3 encoder. Both
have instructions from me on how to set it up, and all you need is to
run a line in to your sound card from a source (cassette, DAT,
MiniDisc [CD could be taken right off the CD drive]) and you can get
the file on the hard disk, do any editing you want, encode to mp3 and
upload it.

It is both Easy and Free. How often does one come across this in life?

There you have it. Barring the bottle-neck, which should be easy to
fix, you are good to go. And if you say your home computer doesn't
have a sound card, they can be had for less than the last date you
went on, easily.

Let us know if this is of interest to you!

Cheers,
Jon

--- In MakeMicroMusic@y..., "Paul Erlich" <paul@s...> wrote:
> As it stands, I have no computer at home

Get one!

> and even my microphone is stationed elsewhere (for recording my 12-
> tET band Stretch) . . .

Record down there, then!

> meanwhile, lots of listenable microtonal material is just around
> the corner, between the MAD DUXX CDs I sent John Starrett

I'd like to hear something more along the lines of your theory work.

> Microthon material I'm awaiting from Johnny Reinhard . . .

Maybe that's what I'm waiting for!

> Again, I hope that my comment to Jacky didn't come off as a
> criticism -- it certainly wasn't -- it was just an expression of
> enthusiasm, fueled by the musical examples he presented.

Okey-doke!

Mom

--- In MakeMicroMusic@y..., "Paul Erlich" <paul@s...> wrote:

My keyboardist Ara and I have
> been planning, for several months now, to move all his equipment
into
> my spare bedroom.

Lucky you! You have one of the most valuble commodities for making
music - space.

As it stands, I have no computer at home

You would do well to buy a computer only for audio. I just bought a
Dell Pentium 4 1.5mHz, 512mb ram, 60 gig storage for the
unbelievable price of under 2 grand (without the moniter). You could
get it closer to a grand if you went with a Pentium 3 and less
memory )Take advantage of our tech recession :-)

and even my microphone
> is stationed elsewhere (for recording my 12-tET band Stretch) . . .

surely you need more than 1 mike

Take a look at the Aardvark Pro24/96 (http://www.aardvark-
pro.com/index.html) For less than 600 dollars you get 4in/40ut
including 2 pre-amps, S/pdif and inline compressors and reverb. Now
that I have it working I think it sounds pretty good, and the latency
seems really low (~12msec). Oh and did I tell you that it comes with
Cakewalk. Thats a complete audio studio!! I Will be glad to give
more details to anyone interested - just ask.

> > (Ara isn't answering his phones right now)

As jon pointed out don't let others be an excuse :-)
>
> Again, I hope that my comment to Jacky didn't come off as a
> criticism -- it certainly wasn't

I din't think it was that critical - probably about equal to Jon and
me pointing out that some of your excuses really don't hold much
water :-)

-- it was just an expression of
> enthusiasm, fueled by the musical examples he presented.

I completely agree. His music is terrific. I am a big member of his
fan club.

Jump in with the rest of us. Its a grand adventure we've set out on.

Peace,
Mary