Re: [MMM] Digest Number 1421

As I read this remark I was reminded immediately of a recording that a audiology researcher sent to me that simulated music as heard by someone with a cochlear implant. With an implant, pitch perception is reduced to 3 or 4 bands per octave, so everything ends up sounding like techno (the example I was sent featured Ella Fitzgerald, perhaps introducing a new techno genre).

DJW

>>On the contrary, people who listen to beats (many of them with very poor
>>pitch perception skills) hear things in beats I never would, and can
>>distinguish 50 genres of electronica and as many of hip hop before you can
>>blink an eye. Genres exist because people's listening skills are poor...

Isn't detecting subtleties in beat-driven music a listening skill?

Cheers,
Jon

last night i had thought that the ultimate radical music at this point could be based on encryption.
One takes something and encrypt it as much as possible.
the goal of the composer then becomes making it as hard on the listener as possible.
to create the unbreakable code (i bet Duchamp would have liked this)
it would also be the ultimate lack of 'self expression' so fashionable i think it has already been done though
so many 'ideas' have been 'encrypted' into music
or supposed to be,
that the result i think would be little different
except conscious as opposed to haphazard

this would continue that art of
turning ones back upon the language one own tribe
or as Jung might correctly point out, tribes
Daniel Wolf wrote:

>As I read this remark I was reminded immediately of a recording that a >audiology researcher sent to me that simulated music as heard by someone >with a cochlear implant. With an implant, pitch perception is reduced to >3 or 4 bands per octave, so everything ends up sounding like techno (the >example I was sent featured Ella Fitzgerald, perhaps introducing a new >techno genre).
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>DJW
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> >>On the contrary, people who listen to beats (many of them with very poor
> >>pitch perception skills) hear things in beats I never would, and can
> >>distinguish 50 genres of electronica and as many of hip hop before >you can
> >>blink an eye. Genres exist because people's listening skills are poor...
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>Isn't detecting subtleties in beat-driven music a listening skill?
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>Cheers,
>Jon
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Kraig Grady
North American Embassy of Anaphoria Island <http://anaphoria.com/>
The Wandering Medicine Show
KXLU <http://www.kxlu.com/main.html> 88.9 FM Wed 8-9 pm Los Angeles

At 11:17 AM 12/16/2005, you wrote:
>last night i had thought that the ultimate radical music at this point
>could be based on encryption.
> One takes something and encrypt it as much as possible.
> the goal of the composer then becomes making it as hard on the listener
>as possible.
> to create the unbreakable code (i bet Duchamp would have liked this)
> it would also be the ultimate lack of 'self expression' so fashionable
>
> i think it has already been done though
>so many 'ideas' have been 'encrypted' into music
> or supposed to be,
> that the result i think would be little different
>except conscious as opposed to haphazard
>
>this would continue that art of
> turning ones back upon the language one own tribe
> or as Jung might correctly point out, tribes

Strongly-encrypted signals are indistinguishable from random
signals. So random noise generators, stochastic composition
practices, all lean in this direction.

-Carl

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, Kraig Grady <kraiggrady@a...>
wrote:

> so many 'ideas' have been 'encrypted' into music

Like recursive coding keyed from squiggles or wrong notes?
http://em.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/33/4/609

(I think Wheatstone made a proper cipher, too.)

Clark

I was aware that it resembled chance, but approaches it in the opposite way, opposites meeting

Carl Lumma wrote:

>At 11:17 AM 12/16/2005, you wrote:
> >
>>last night i had thought that the ultimate radical music at this point >>could be based on encryption.
>>One takes something and encrypt it as much as possible.
>>the goal of the composer then becomes making it as hard on the listener >>as possible.
>>to create the unbreakable code (i bet Duchamp would have liked this)
>>it would also be the ultimate lack of 'self expression' so fashionable >>
>>i think it has already been done though
>>so many 'ideas' have been 'encrypted' into music
>>or supposed to be,
>>that the result i think would be little different
>>except conscious as opposed to haphazard
>>
>>this would continue that art of
>>turning ones back upon the language one own tribe
>>or as Jung might correctly point out, tribes
>> >>
>
>Strongly-encrypted signals are indistinguishable from random
>signals. So random noise generators, stochastic composition
>practices, all lean in this direction.
>
>-Carl >
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> >Yahoo! Groups Links
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--
Kraig Grady
North American Embassy of Anaphoria Island <http://anaphoria.com/>
The Wandering Medicine Show
KXLU <http://www.kxlu.com/main.html> 88.9 FM Wed 8-9 pm Los Angeles