Yahoo Tuning Groups Ultimate Backup makemicromusic Re: fractal tune polyrhythm experiment

Hi there,

I've been playing around with a new option to
make polyrhythm fractal tunes in FTS.

This is one note every 3 beats, one every 5 and one
every 7 in a 49 beat pattern.

Since it doesn't repeat exactly for the 3 and 5, you
get a little pause at end of each repeat.

Scale,

1/1 9/8 5/4 4/3 3/2 15/8 2/1 Folk scale from Rajasthan India

You can't yet do it in FTS, and this one is just a try
out of the idea using the debugger.

So, prob. a one off as when I program it properly it
prob. won't be exactly the same as this.

Just thought you might like it as rather fun. Nothing
profound or anything :-).
http://members.tripod.com/~robertinventor/tunes/new_fractal_tunes.htm

I've enjoyed Mary's new tune, John's song with the tear in the eye,
and the ones by Jay Williams. Things are really zinging here...

Look forward to yours when they are ready Margo.

For some reason, still can't download the newer ones at MMM,
but can download the older ones here, and the ones at Tuning challenges,...

Perhaps just a temporary glitch of some kind. I'd like to hear
Jon's and the two ones from Jacky that I missed, but I know
I'm not the only one who is missing a few.

What about idea of an mp3 posting tree where you send your mp3 to the
List Mom (say), who then sends it to two others, who send it
to two others, and so on down the chain.

Obviously they'd get delayed a few days or more on the way
depending on how often the e-mail gets checked and
whether one is off-line for a while, but they'd
get there eventually.

I wonder if anyone has any thoughts about that idea.

Could do that just for those who can't download
it from the web site for whatever reason.

The files are a little large, but in Outlook Express
anyway, you can set up a message rule to only
download files if undre a certain size, then
untick the rule from time to time to download
any large files you have in the in box.

Kind of a sketchy idea, in case anyone has a thought
about how to make it practical.

Robert

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🔗Robert Walker <robertwalker@...>

Hi Mary,

> I would love having the ability to do complex polyrythms in FTS. I
> hope you do add it. In reading your file notes for your polyrythm
> experiment you mention you can kind of do this as a custom rythm..
> Could you elaborate in your help files?

Okay, I'll add it . I think won't take long as it is rather easy programming,
as it happens (add a tick count and increment the seeds depending on
it). I'll have a try later today and see how it goes.

Okay, I'll explain about the custom voice rhythm in the help on the beta
preview page. I'll be adding all that to the help proper later when I set to
that.

Basically it is

Voice | Edit Custom melod. voices | Edit Instr... | Beats to play
(and Repeat every [...])

Then one makes a custom voice with say 3 instruments playing
first tick out of, say, 3, 5 and 7 respectively. That would
play 15 against 35 against 21.

To play 3 against 5 against 7, do 3 instruments playing
every 15, 35 and 21 beats.

Then go back to the Edit Custom melod. voices window and choose
Select into Highl. Track, (or select that custom voice from the
drop list).

I'll explain in detail, but that gets one started.

I don't think there is any help for that window yet.

Works best for percussion / pizzicato. For the in between beats, the
instruments are silent.

Or, one can increase sustain for the notes - I've just tried it and
it gives quite an interesting complex effect at present if one does
that but I'm not sure if it that is how it should be. May be a bug
in the option (have to think about how sustain needs to interact with
the custom voices).

I've put that ex. on the new fractal tunes page too.

http://members.tripod.com/~robertinventor/tunes/new_fractal_tunes.htm

I realise that the example already on the page actually used another way of
making polyrhythms:

Buttons | Seed Options | Seed Pos Increment...,
plus a seed that has every fourth beat louder than
the others, which is another way, for some polyrhythm type things.

Robert

🔗Robert Walker <robertwalker@...>

Hi Mary,

I've got it programmed now.

http://members.tripod.com/~robertinventor/tunes/new_fractal_tunes.htm

There was a little more to it than I thought.

For instance, one wanted to make sure it finds the rhythms
quickly even if the number of ticks per beat from multiplying
all the polyrhythms together is very large.

It can now even do 2 3 5 7 11 13 17 19 23
as simultaneous polyrhythms.

To add one other level, the volumes of all the seeds can vary, say, every 31 notes.
I've done a demo of this, with all the parts varying in volume every 31 notes
of their respecitve part making waves of sound.

That's about the limit for now. One could go further with
special programming, in fact it would be possible to remove the limit
altogether.

I'll write up the help soon, but if you go to the relevant window
perhaps it is reasonably intuitive, also with a drop list of polyrhythms
to try out.

Robert

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🔗Robert Walker <robertwalker@...>

Hi Graham,

My idea was that the e-mail method would work for anyone with or
without web space.

They have different rules apparently for web space and for
e-mail - I have hardly any web space free at ntlworld at
present, but can have large files waiting in my in-box with
them no problem.

I see though that it wouldn't work for any with a hotmail
account, as they have a limit of I think 1 Mb on file
attachments, may apply to other accounts too.

Hadn't realised that e-mail file attachments were Mime encoded,
which would increase the size of them. Okay if one has always
on or unlimited net access.

Robert