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try2 in meta-father
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/pagemusic.cfm?bandID=145852

I just recorded this failure of a ditty after reading post after post
after post and getting slightly bored and agitated. It's nice because
it fits in with some recent topics:

1) It is experimental, it is improvised. It is why I don't like to
improvise. But I currently lack the motivation to compose, so it's a
start. And as an experiment, it only hopes to show the
listener...something.

2) Regarding 'meta,' I have always taken 'meta' as something
transcendent, beyond, 'higher-level,' more abstract, and so on. Are
meta-mavila and meta-meantone tunings with exact/concrete fifths?

At any rate, it makes a nice bridge between 'temperaments' and
'tunings' when used this way; in this example the tuning is a 5A+3B
scale with an octave period and generator 400<g<480 cents (which is
exactly where 5 and 3 intersect). 'Father temperament' is a particular
situation where your major third and your perfect fourth are
approximated by the same interval. But anyway, I want to call this
more general category "meta-father." Or...?

[not so relevant] An improvisation was recorded with a 440-cent
generator, but as it was played back, the generator (and thus was
slowly but surely bent from 420¢ to 470¢ and back (and then a little
crazy at the end).

In my ideal toolbox I would like to bend tunings this way, only much
faster and while notes are held.

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "Jacob" <jbarton@r...> wrote:

> 2) Regarding 'meta,' I have always taken 'meta' as something
> transcendent, beyond, 'higher-level,' more abstract, and so on. Are
> meta-mavila and meta-meantone tunings with exact/concrete fifths?

There are recurrence relationships also, but what I was claiming
should be called "Wilson meantone", or at least not be called
"metameantone", is the meantone tuning with a fifth f satisfying f^4 =
2f+2. That's pretty concrete.

I was only able to download half of this which was a shame as i quite enjoyed the rhythmic feel you had going here,
quite compelling whether planned or intuited

Jacob wrote:

>try2 in meta-father
>http://www.soundclick.com/bands/pagemusic.cfm?bandID=145852
> >

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--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "Jacob" <jbarton@r...> wrote:
>
> try2 in meta-father
> http://www.soundclick.com/bands/pagemusic.cfm?bandID=145852
>
> I just recorded this failure of a ditty after reading post after
post
> after post and getting slightly bored and agitated. It's nice
because
> it fits in with some recent topics:
>
> 1) It is experimental, it is improvised. It is why I don't like to
> improvise. But I currently lack the motivation to compose, so it's
a
> start. And as an experiment, it only hopes to show the
> listener...something.
>
> 2) Regarding 'meta,' I have always taken 'meta' as something
> transcendent, beyond, 'higher-level,' more abstract, and so on.

I suspect this was Erv's meaning, though we'd probably have to ask
him to know exactly how he was thinking of it in this instance.

>Are
> meta-mavila and meta-meantone tunings with exact/concrete fifths?

Yes, or at the very least they have exact/concrete fifths that the
various JI fifths in their respective series converge to.
The 'transcendent' part of this may have been that Erv was looking at
vibration numbers and their differences (and making them coincide in
the tunings in question) in addition the standard "lower-level"
requirements of certain chains of tempered consonances leading to a
unison.

> At any rate, it makes a nice bridge between 'temperaments' and
> 'tunings' when used this way; in this example the tuning is a 5A+3B
> scale with an octave period and generator 400<g<480 cents (which is
> exactly where 5 and 3 intersect). 'Father temperament' is a
particular
> situation where your major third and your perfect fourth are
> approximated by the same interval.

This still allows quite a wide range of specific tunings, though,
doesn't it?

> But anyway, I want to call this
> more general category "meta-father." Or...?

Hmm . . . I'm not sure I'm quite clear on the distinction you're
trying to draw. I would say that "Father temperament' encompasses
many different tunings, and "meta-father", following Wilson (though
he may have some other 'meta' name for it), would have to be a pretty
darn *specific* tuning of father temperament where one finds a great
deal of coincidence between difference tones of scale tones and other
scale tones. But please fill me in on what you mean -- particularly
if you can do so on another list . . .