film placement for microtonal music

Novosonic Productions is currently soliciting submissions of microtonal music
recordings to build a multifaceted 'catalog' of music resources to present to
independent filmmakers. Frankly, while there is quite a bit of creative
activity, the field is hyper-competitive, and virtually all opportunities
will fall into the no/lo or deferred pay category.

CDs, Tape, Vinyl to:

Novosonic Productions
2688 Hopkinton Rd.
Contoocook NH 03229

MP3s (128kbs or better only) to:
novosonic@...

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{you wrote...}
>Novosonic Productions is currently soliciting submissions of microtonal music
>recordings to build a multifaceted 'catalog' of music resources to present to
>independent filmmakers. Frankly, while there is quite a bit of creative
>activity, the field is hyper-competitive, and virtually all opportunities
>will fall into the no/lo or deferred pay category.
>
>CDs, Tape, Vinyl to:

Just send it flat-out, no contract, no agreement between parties? Maybe you can post whatever right/permission agreement you propose to use for something like this so potential contributors can see if it would be worth their while.

Cheers,
Jon

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, Jon Szanto <jszanto@c...>
wrote:
>
> {you wrote...}
>
> Just send it flat-out, no contract, no agreement between parties?

geez jon, doesn't the 'millenium recording act' mean anything?

basically, you own it if you created it. you don't need any
fancy paperwork for that. however, you do need 'proof beyond a
reasonable doubt' and a 20k lawyer to prove that 'clear channel
communications' ripped you off for at least 20K.....

>Maybe you can post whatever right/permission agreement you propose
to
use for something like this so potential contributors can see if it
would be worth their while.
>

funny that you should ask, but frankly, i was planning to send out
microtonal stuff on cd, out of pocket, and it would be up to the
provider and the interested party to make a deal.

beyond that, most people (my experience) get ripped off because
they sign a contract they don't understand, rather than "get a song
stolen".

so there is no a&r upfront fee and no factor fee after the fact. that
isn't the purpose. if you need a contract you also need a lawyer,
first, never sign a contract unless a lawyer you hired explains the
terms and details in plain english to you, and even then don't expect
not to get fucked if a handshake will work instead.!!!

best, buzzy^

> Cheers,
> Jon

Hi Buzzy,

Hey, I didn't mean to offend you, but I really did want to know how much of this was planned out, and how much was ad hoc.

{you wrote...}
>geez jon, doesn't the 'millenium recording act' mean anything?

I'll confess: I have no knowledge at all of the "Millenium Recording Act", but I'll do my research.

>basically, you own it if you created it. you don't need any fancy >paperwork for that. however, you do need 'proof beyond a reasonable doubt' >and a 20k lawyer to prove that 'clear channel communications' ripped you >off for at least 20K.....

That is why, if I had any doubts at all, I'd probably register something like this with BMI.

>funny that you should ask, but frankly, i was planning to send out >microtonal stuff on cd, out of pocket, and it would be up to the provider >and the interested party to make a deal.

Um, OK. I'll let you know if I want anything included.

>beyond that, most people (my experience) get ripped off because they sign >a contract they don't understand, rather than "get a song stolen".

I see. Well, I've had a fair amount of work involved with recording for the film industry (not writing, but working as a player), and have colleagues who are involved in the writing/production end. They are knowledgeable about how to do this kind of release contractually so that one's rights and revenues are protected.

If you are attempting to broaden the exposure of microtonal music, then more power to you. OTOH, if you simply give it away, well, you've just given it away!

Maybe people would like to contribute small pieces that would pique a director/producer's curiosity, and thereby lead to some work. Just thinking out loud...

Cheers,
Jon

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, Jon Szanto <jszanto@c...>
wrote:
> Hi Buzzy,
>
> I really did want to know how much of
> this was planned out, and how much was ad hoc.
>
well i didn't do up a business plan if that's what you mean ? :>)

> Um, OK. I'll let you know if I want anything included.

thanks for your interest and invaluable feedback.

>
> Well, I've had a fair amount of work involved with recording for
>the film industry (not writing, but working as a player), and have
>colleagues who are involved in the writing/production end. They
>are knowledgeable about how to do this kind of release
>contractually so that one's rights and revenues are protected.
>

probably the cheapest thing is to register your song's copyright
which is about $20, i guess. although it would be interesting to
find out what your associates would do.

what little that i know of LA is that's the only place where things
are done on credit, that and with the stories about the bottom
feeders, i would imagine your lawyer needs a lawyer too.

with the 'standard contract' you assign 1/2 to the publishing
company then you split the other 1/2 with the house. but, out of
your 1/4, you have to pay the production and promotion.
so unless your name is 'sting' or 'clapton', you can expect to
get "paid $200" for a song in a hollyweird feature or tv show
(okay mechanicals are something else)and less for an independent and
pretty much nothing for an indie/lo budget. so out of your $50 you
have to pay my bar tab and limo ride. anyway, the real reason so
many signed bands breakup is that they go bankrupt (artistic
differences !).

> If you are attempting to broaden the exposure of microtonal music,
>then more power to you. OTOH, if you simply give it away, well,
>you've just given it away!
>

well if your expecting to trade in the moped for a jag, (or even gas
it up !)then read no further. there may or may not be a small niche
market. many producers just won't touch something microtonal, one
person openly said he thought it a big risk, others are afraid
of "weird shit". on the other hand, some others just like what they
heard and went with it. and, i'm not really sure if they understand
what microtonal means (or even care) !!!!!

> Maybe people would like to contribute small pieces that would
>pique a director/producer's curiosity, and thereby lead to some
>work. Just thinking out loud...
>
i've been badgering one lady cello player for one piece for quite
some time now, just plays for herself. whereas, bill sethares has
indicated his 2 cds of material are available. a typical demo is 3
pieces and approximately 10 minutes.

thanks, best, buzzy^

http://home.comcast.net/~gregmcleod/novosonic.html

actually most of the rock musicians i know expect ot get in the range of 25,000./ these are people in bands that might be signed but no one has heard of. in fact one of these often is their yearly salary.

novosonic wrote:

> with the 'standard contract' you assign 1/2 to the publishing
>
>company then you split the other 1/2 with the house. but, out of >your 1/4, you have to pay the production and promotion.
>so unless your name is 'sting' or 'clapton', you can expect to
>get "paid $200" for a song in a hollyweird feature or tv show
>(okay mechanicals are something else)and less for an independent and >pretty much nothing for an indie/lo budget. so out of your $50 you >have to pay my bar tab and limo ride. anyway, the real reason so >many signed bands breakup is that they go bankrupt (artistic >differences !). >
> > >

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--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, Kraig Grady <kraiggrady@a...>
wrote:
> actually most of the rock musicians i know expect ot get in the
range of
> 25,000./

is that net or gross ?

sadly, i heard from r..g... productions (hollowood) and while at first
they were interested in six hours of finished product, basically, it
was "microtonalists need not apply... too weird/risky"...

so that's that.

back to sub-b genre, which i enjoy as i can choose to support a
project i believe in and vice versa.

peace/hope/luv buzzy^

don't tell'em it is microtonal

novosonic wrote:

>--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, Kraig Grady <kraiggrady@a...> >wrote:
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>>actually most of the rock musicians i know expect ot get in the >> >>
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>is that net or gross ?
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>sadly, i heard from r..g... productions (hollowood) and while at first >they were interested in six hours of finished product, basically, it >was "microtonalists need not apply... too weird/risky"...
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>so that's that.
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>back to sub-b genre, which i enjoy as i can choose to support a >project i believe in and vice versa.
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> peace/hope/luv buzzy^
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Kraig Grady
North American Embassy of Anaphoria Island <http://anaphoria.com/>
The Wandering Medicine Show
KXLU <http://www.kxlu.com/main.html> 88.9 FM Wed 8-9 pm Los Angeles

KG,

{you wrote...}
>don't tell'em it is microtonal

No s**t. Not to mention all the work that James Newton Howard has done that has stealthily utilized microtones. But beneath all this is whether or not you are making music to make music, or making music to make microtonal music. In this regard, I am stubbornly a musician, and not an evangelist. Let the music stand on the soapbox by itself, because it frequently fails when it's creator starts waving banners.

Cheers,
Jon