[Fwd: [La_Monte_Young] DREAM HOUSE (La Monte Young)]

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Subject: [La_Monte_Young] DREAM HOUSE (La Monte Young)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 09:19:01 +0200
From: Walter Cianciusi <cianciusi@...>
Reply-To: La_Monte_Young@yahoogroups.com
To: <La_Monte_Young@yahoogroups.com>

DREAM HOUSE by Walter Cianciusi

I produced a Max/MSP (IRCAM) algorithm that allows a computer user to switch, in real time, through several La Monte Young's sine-tone compositions.
The user simply needs
1. to choose a composition from a menu;
2. to insert a base frequency;
3. to press a start button.
A series of virtual sinusoidal oscillators (perfectly in phase) will reproduce the chosen piece.
On the screen the user will find indications about the exact tuning ratios implied and about the frequencies generated by the machine starting from the chosen base frequency.

At the moment the algorithm includes the following 23 compositions:
Composition 1960 #7;
First Dream Of China;
Second Dream Of China;
Third Dream Of China;
Fourth Dream Of China;
Pre-Tortoise Dream Music;
The Obsidian Ocelot;
Freeman Commission;
Oldenburg Commission;
Scull Commission;
Drift Study 5 VIII 68;
Drift Study 31 I 69;
Drift Study 14 VII 73;
First Dream 1980;
Second Dream 1980;
Third Dream 1980;
Fourth Dream 1980;
The Opening Chord;
The Magic Chord;
The Magic Opening Chord;
The Romantic Symmetry;
The Base 9:7:4 Symmetry;
The Prime Time Twins.

The algorithm is Windows and Macintosh compatible, and you can download it for free from my website: http://homepage.mac.com/cianciusi/FileSharing15.html
On the downloaded folder you will also find a free Max/MSP Runtime 4.5 version to read the algorithm.

With your collaboration I could improve my work, add other compositions and let the algorithm conforms to your expectations.

Thank you very much for your attention.

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Walter Cianciusi
Via Montello 80
67051 Avezzano (AQ)
ITALIA

www.waltercianciusi.com

info@...

"The piece is over when you are too exhausted to push any longer." - La Monte Young Yahoo! Groups Links

-- * David Beardsley
* microtonal guitar
* http://biink.com/db

yea after 30 days you have to pay for MSP

David Beardsley wrote:

>-------- Original Message --------
>Subject: [La_Monte_Young] DREAM HOUSE (La Monte Young)
>Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 09:19:01 +0200
>From: Walter Cianciusi <cianciusi@...>
>Reply-To: La_Monte_Young@yahoogroups.com
>To: <La_Monte_Young@yahoogroups.com>
>
>
>
>DREAM HOUSE by Walter Cianciusi
>
>I produced a Max/MSP (IRCAM) algorithm that allows a computer user to >switch, in real time, through several La Monte Young's sine-tone >compositions.
>The user simply needs
>1. to choose a composition from a menu;
>2. to insert a base frequency;
>3. to press a start button.
>A series of virtual sinusoidal oscillators (perfectly in phase) will >reproduce the chosen piece.
>On the screen the user will find indications about the exact tuning >ratios implied and about the frequencies generated by the machine >starting from the chosen base frequency.
>
>At the moment the algorithm includes the following 23 compositions:
>Composition 1960 #7;
>First Dream Of China;
>Second Dream Of China;
>Third Dream Of China;
>Fourth Dream Of China;
>Pre-Tortoise Dream Music;
>The Obsidian Ocelot;
>Freeman Commission;
>Oldenburg Commission;
>Scull Commission;
>Drift Study 5 VIII 68;
>Drift Study 31 I 69;
>Drift Study 14 VII 73;
>First Dream 1980;
>Second Dream 1980;
>Third Dream 1980;
>Fourth Dream 1980;
>The Opening Chord;
>The Magic Chord;
>The Magic Opening Chord;
>The Romantic Symmetry;
>The Base 9:7:4 Symmetry;
>The Prime Time Twins.
>
>The algorithm is Windows and Macintosh compatible, and you can download >it for free from my website: >http://homepage.mac.com/cianciusi/FileSharing15.html
>On the downloaded folder you will also find a free Max/MSP Runtime 4.5 >version to read the algorithm.
>
>With your collaboration I could improve my work, add other compositions >and let the algorithm conforms to your expectations.
>
>Thank you very much for your attention.
>
>-------------------------------------
>Walter Cianciusi
>Via Montello 80
>67051 Avezzano (AQ)
>ITALIA
>
>www.waltercianciusi.com
>
>info@...
>
>
>
>"The piece is over when you are too exhausted to push any longer." - La Monte Young >Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
> >
>
>
>
>
>
> >

--
Kraig Grady
North American Embassy of Anaphoria Island <http://anaphoria.com/>
The Wandering Medicine Show
KXLU <http://www.kxlu.com/main.html> 88.9 FM Wed 8-9 pm Los Angeles

Kraig Grady wrote:

>yea after 30 days you have to pay for MSP
>
I didn't know that, but that's OK. It's LMY's pitches, but
not his work - La Monte has the pitches in stereo. The current Dream House
has six speakers and for this to really work right, an empty room.

--
* David Beardsley
* microtonal guitar
* http://biink.com/db

I understand his music to be more than just the pitches.
are the speakers separations and height possibly related to the wave length of the fundamental?

David Beardsley wrote:

>Kraig Grady wrote:
>
> >
>>yea after 30 days you have to pay for MSP
>>
>> >>
>I didn't know that, but that's OK. It's LMY's pitches, but
>not his work - La Monte has the pitches in stereo. The current Dream House
>has six speakers and for this to really work right, an empty room.
>
> >

--
Kraig Grady
North American Embassy of Anaphoria Island <http://anaphoria.com/>
The Wandering Medicine Show
KXLU <http://www.kxlu.com/main.html> 88.9 FM Wed 8-9 pm Los Angeles

Kraig Grady wrote:

>I understand his music to be more than just the pitches.
> are the speakers separations and height possibly related to the wave >length of the fundamental?
>
Maybe. I don't know anything about it.

--
* David Beardsley
* microtonal guitar
* http://biink.com/db

(kiddin) well go get out your tape measure and let us know :)

is there another source as to the actual pitches of these pieces besides going through this second party

David Beardsley wrote:

>Kraig Grady wrote:
>
> >
>>I understand his music to be more than just the pitches.
>>are the speakers separations and height possibly related to the wave >>length of the fundamental?
>>
>> >>
>Maybe. I don't know anything about it.
>
>
> >

--
Kraig Grady
North American Embassy of Anaphoria Island <http://anaphoria.com/>
The Wandering Medicine Show
KXLU <http://www.kxlu.com/main.html> 88.9 FM Wed 8-9 pm Los Angeles

Kraig Grady wrote:

>(kiddin) well go get out your tape measure and let us know :)
>
> is there another source as to the actual pitches of these pieces >besides going through this second party
>
The Sound and Light book.

http://melafoundation.org/bookscat.html

--
* David Beardsley
* microtonal guitar
* http://biink.com/db

David Beardsley wrote:

> Kraig Grady wrote:
>
> >yea after 30 days you have to pay for MSP
> >
> I didn't know that, but that's OK. It's LMY's pitches, but
> not his work - La Monte has the pitches in stereo. The current Dream House
> has six speakers and for this to really work right, an empty room.
>

David,

Are there any other ways in which the pieces
don't match your expectations?

Regards,
Yahya

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Yahya Abdal-Aziz wrote:

>David Beardsley wrote:
>
> >
>>Kraig Grady wrote:
>>
>> >>
>>>yea after 30 days you have to pay for MSP
>>>
>>> >>>
>>I didn't know that, but that's OK. It's LMY's pitches, but
>>not his work - La Monte has the pitches in stereo. The current Dream House
>>has six speakers and for this to really work right, an empty room.
>>
>> >>
>
>David,
>
>Are there any other ways in which the pieces
>don't match your expectations?
>

What's left? Um...no light installation? Lack of Nag Champa incense?.
No Dream House monitor asking for a donation? Please remove your shoes?
NYC traffic pounding up Church Street? Magenta filters on the windows?

--
* David Beardsley
* microtonal guitar
* http://biink.com/db

the funny thing i was just at Erv Wilson house and he had a box of this incense, which i had not heard of till you mentioned it yesterday, he said he uses it to get rid of the the smell of skunks.

David Beardsley wrote:

>
> Lack of Nag Champa incense?.
>
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> >

--
Kraig Grady
North American Embassy of Anaphoria Island <http://anaphoria.com/>
The Wandering Medicine Show
KXLU <http://www.kxlu.com/main.html> 88.9 FM Wed 8-9 pm Los Angeles

Kraig Grady wrote:

>the funny thing i was just at Erv Wilson house and he had a box of this >incense, which i had not heard of till you mentioned it yesterday, he >said he uses it to get rid of the the smell of skunks.
>
>David Beardsley wrote:
>
> >
>>Lack of Nag Champa incense?.
>>
Yes, it's great for masking smells. I never heard it before my time
watching the Dream House.

--
* David Beardsley
* microtonal guitar
* http://biink.com/db

>
> DREAM HOUSE by Walter Cianciusi
>
> I produced a Max/MSP (IRCAM) algorithm that allows a computer user to
> switch, in real time, through several La Monte Young's sine-tone
> compositions.

***This makes the composer in me wonder a little about copyrights :)

My only comment on this is that I'll have to buy a new white carpet for
my place...

J. Pehrson

it appears after this announcement he was asked to take it down for the very reason you cite.
there were those that complained, but on the other hand they only seem to be interested in it because these are what La Monte uses.
So on one hand they were saying how can he copyright frequencies and on the other restrict there investigations to only his .
Joseph Pehrson wrote:

>>DREAM HOUSE by Walter Cianciusi
>>
>>I produced a Max/MSP (IRCAM) algorithm that allows a computer user to >>switch, in real time, through several La Monte Young's sine-tone >>compositions.
>> >>
>
>***This makes the composer in me wonder a little about copyrights :)
>
>My only comment on this is that I'll have to buy a new white carpet for >my place...
>
>J. Pehrson
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
> >
>
>
>
> >

--
Kraig Grady
North American Embassy of Anaphoria Island <http://anaphoria.com/>
The Wandering Medicine Show
KXLU <http://www.kxlu.com/main.html> 88.9 FM Wed 8-9 pm Los Angeles

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, Kraig Grady <kraiggrady@a...>
wrote:
> it appears after this announcement he was asked to take it down for
the
> very reason you cite.
> there were those that complained, but on the other hand they only
seem
> to be interested in it because these are what La Monte uses.
> So on one hand they were saying how can he copyright frequencies
and on
> the other restrict there investigations to only his .
>

***Actually, as though I don't have anything else to do with my time,
I've been thinking about this issue... :)

It isn't so much that people are experimenting with frequencies.
They could hit upon the exact same frequencies that La Monte is using
and it wouldn't be a copyright or performance right violation, IMHO.

HOWEVER, it's the fact that the notice is accompanied with an email
stating that this is a replication of a La Monte Young piece, or
several pieces that, I believe, constitutes a possible infringement.

It seems this is less a copyright issue, actually, than a
*performance right* issue. In other words, the computer renditions
are actually *mini performances* of the La Monte Young Dream House
IMHO, in portable, scaled-down and incomplete forms.

Therefore, there should be a *performance right* paid to either ASCAP
or BMI every time this software piece is purchased.

Now, possibly La Monte Young is neither a member of ASCAP or BMI
(maybe David Beardsley knows...) in which case he would have make his
own arrangements to collect the revenues...

But, it definitely is in a *performance rights* category, IMHO.

Dream on?

Joseph Pehrson

Joseph Pehrson wrote:

>Now, possibly La Monte Young is neither a member of >(maybe David Beardsley knows...) in which case he would have make his >own arrangements to collect the revenues...
> >
I have no idea if he's a member ASCAP or BMI.

I tried out those tunings back when the Sound and Light book came out.

But I never thought I could use one of his tunings in my own works or give
my own versions of La Monte's work away.

* * * * * * *

To change the subject: Here's someone who used to work
with LMY:

http://jonhassell.com

He just updated it today with a bit of historical detail.

--
* David Beardsley
* microtonal guitar
* http://biink.com/db