list issues

Paul,

Have you considered taking the bmp off the front page for this list?
It's 3 megs, which is a killer for dialup users, and it's physically
big enough to force most users to scroll down to see the recent posts.

All,

Should we consider fusing this list with the tuning-math list?
The message volume and memebership numbers suggest we do, IMO.

-Carl

I'll take the bmp off.

Tomorrow we'll find out whether people want the tuning-math list to remain
separate from the tuning list. After that, I suppose we can try to fuse it
with something. But how do we fuse lists?

On Thu, 31 May 2001, Paul H. Erlich wrote:

> I'll take the bmp off.
>
> Tomorrow we'll find out whether people want the tuning-math list to remain
> separate from the tuning list. After that, I suppose we can try to fuse it
> with something. But how do we fuse lists?

The two moderators agree to merge the lists, all the members of both lists agree
to be merged, then you go into the web interface and copy all the members
from one list to the other. Because of anti-spamming, you are probably better
off asking people to unsub themselves from the list that is going to go away
and subscribe to the one that is staying if they aren't already a member of
the staying one.

I want to make it clear that I am *not* going to subscribe to any more lists. I
am on over a dozen at the moment, most of which are inactive. The active ones I
have to take in digest form and converse into using the web interface. If you
merge harmonic entropy with tuning math, I will transfer my subscription to the
merged list. But I am not going to join any spinoffs from the main "tuning"
list that I'm not on already. There are two (gerund deleted) many lists now.

Tonight when I get home I am going to unsubscribe from any list I am on,
except the comp-finance list that I moderate, that has not generated 10 or more
messages in the month of May. If it isn't active enough to require digest form,
I don't want to be on it.
--
znmeb@... (M. Edward Borasky) http://www.aracnet.com/~znmeb

I support the right to keep and arm bears.

Ed wrote,

>The two moderators agree to merge the lists, all the members of both lists
agree
>to be merged, then you go into the web interface and copy all the members
>from one list to the other.

It looks like none of this will be necessary since the vote so far is so
highly skewed toward reunification with the tuning list, and everyone (I
presume) on the tuning-math list is already subscribed to the tuning list.

>Because of anti-spamming, you are probably better
>off asking people to unsub themselves from the list that is going to go
away
>and subscribe to the one that is staying if they aren't already a member of
>the staying one.

What about the archives, files, etc.?

>Tonight when I get home I am going to unsubscribe from any list I am on,
>except the comp-finance list that I moderate,

Sounds like something I should join, that's my job!

>It looks like none of this will be necessary since the vote so far
>is so highly skewed toward reunification with the tuning list, and
>everyone (I presume) on the tuning-math list is already subscribed
>to the tuning list.

That's a shame; I rather like the idea of a tuning-math list.
It could make regular reports to the tuning list, and that way
average tuning listers could keep abreast of the math without
having to worry about the details, while opening up the original
list to things like discussion of composition techniques, working
with notation, how to use popular synths microtonally, etc.

>>Because of anti-spamming, you are probably better off asking
>>people to unsub themselves from the list that is going to go
>>away and subscribe to the one that is staying if they aren't
>>already a member of the staying one.
>
> What about the archives, files, etc.?

This could be done by hand, if necessary, for a list as young
as he. Hopefully, though, Yahoo would take care of it. Ed?

Does anybody know what happened to Practical Microtonality?

-Carl

>Does anybody know what happened to Practical Microtonality?

We were told that it vanished into thin air. Its moderator was Jacky.
Apparantly he decided to delete the list. Maybe he made more ridiculous
accusations about people and then decided it would be better not to have
those immortalized on the Web.

On Thu, 31 May 2001, Paul H. Erlich wrote:

> >Tonight when I get home I am going to unsubscribe from any list I am on,
> >except the comp-finance list that I moderate,
>
> Sounds like something I should join, that's my job!
Really? Well, then, it's "comp-finance@yahoogroups.com" :-). Have you visited
my web page??
--
znmeb@... (M. Edward Borasky) http://www.aracnet.com/~znmeb

What is it about

@replace(@string(@log(10000)*@atan(1),9),0,0,@char(112)&@char(105)&@char(61))

that you don't understand?

--- In harmonic_entropy@y..., carl@l... wrote:
>
> This could be done by hand, if necessary, for a list as young
> as he.

I don't see how the "messages" archive could be transferred from one
list onto another. BTW, I actually created the tuning-math list under
the view that there might be 2 people would want it seperate. So far
3 people have voted that they want it separate. So I suppose I should
keep it separate, despite the views of the other 15 . . . in which
case I'd like to merge it with this list. But how to handle the
message archives?

> --- In harmonic_entropy@y..., carl@l... wrote:
> >
> > This could be done by hand, if necessary, for a list as young
> > as he.
>
> I don't see how the "messages" archive could be transferred from one
> list onto another. BTW, I actually created the tuning-math list under
> the view that there might be 2 people would want it seperate. So far
> 3 people have voted that they want it separate. So I suppose I should
> keep it separate, despite the views of the other 15 . . . in which
> case I'd like to merge it with this list. But how to handle the
> message archives?

Piece of cake -- just dump them to a file, then make an archive with WinZip and
post the archive to the other list's file folder area. I'm pretty sure there's
a way to generate an archive, although I don't know how to do it off the top of
my head.

On 5/31/01 6:17 PM, "Paul Erlich" <PERLICH@...> wrote:

> --- In harmonic_entropy@y..., carl@l... wrote:
>>
>> This could be done by hand, if necessary, for a list as young
>> as he.
>
> I don't see how the "messages" archive could be transferred from one
> list onto another. BTW, I actually created the tuning-math list under
> the view that there might be 2 people would want it seperate. So far
> 3 people have voted that they want it separate. So I suppose I should
> keep it separate, despite the views of the other 15 . . . in which
> case I'd like to merge it with this list. But how to handle the
> message archives?

Robert Walker seems to have a program that can do it all in one shot.

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <carl@...>
> To: <harmonic_entropy@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 3:06 PM
> Subject: [harmonic_entropy] Re: list issues
>

> >It looks like none of this will be necessary since the vote so far
> >is so highly skewed toward reunification with the tuning list, and
> >everyone (I presume) on the tuning-math list is already subscribed
> >to the tuning list.

Wait a minute... I thought the poll was concerning whether the
tuning-math list should merge with *this* list, and not whether
it should be reunified with the tuning list.

Ed's right: too many [gerund deleted] lists!

>
> That's a shame; I rather like the idea of a tuning-math list.
> It could make regular reports to the tuning list, and that way
> average tuning listers could keep abreast of the math without
> having to worry about the details, while opening up the original
> list to things like discussion of composition techniques, working
> with notation, how to use popular synths microtonally, etc.

I agree with Carl. I like having all the really heavy math stuff
on a separate list. Makes it easier for someone like me, who
doesn't really understand it, to study it in greater depth,
without all the noise of posts concerning other stuff.

The way I see it, the most we really need are 3 lists:
the regular tuning list for general posts, the tuning-math
list for the heavy math work, and the spiritual_tuning list
for all the bizzaro stuff that belongs off the main list.
I'll probably eventually pare my subscriptions down to
those three... provided that the tuning-math stays separate,
otherwise only two.

-monz
http://www.monz.org
"All roads lead to n^0"

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I am sorry to have missed something in these merging-processes. I'm completely new to the list and so I kept quit to see the regular things. Could anyone please tell me what you're planning to do; for instance: what is the other list exactly to be merged with? What can we expect from it? It's a bit difficult to vote on this if you don't know where it's going to. If I missed the message refering to this, you me point me in that direction as well.

Bob
bhelsloot@...
BOB'S MUSIC
http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/233/bobs_music.html

On 5/31/01 6:17 PM, "Paul Erlich" <PERLICH@ACADIAN-ASSET.COM> wrote:

> --- In harmonic_entropy@y..., carl@l... wrote:
>>
>> This could be done by hand, if necessary, for a list as young
>> as he.
>
> I don't see how the "messages" archive could be transferred from one
> list onto another. BTW, I actually created the tuning-math list under
> the view that there might be 2 people would want it seperate. So far
> 3 people have voted that they want it separate. So I suppose I should
> keep it separate, despite the views of the other 15 . . . in which
> case I'd like to merge it with this list. But how to handle the
> message archives?

Robert Walker seems to have a program that can do it all in one shot.

In-Reply-To: <32CF5B84E01BD511AE7E0090274662720FB3EF@...>
Paul wrote:

> >Does anybody know what happened to Practical Microtonality?
>
> We were told that it vanished into thin air. Its moderator was Jacky.
> Apparantly he decided to delete the list. Maybe he made more ridiculous
> accusations about people and then decided it would be better not to
have
> those immortalized on the Web.

No, in this case it was another member making the ridiculous accusations.
Jacky deleted a load of posts, and later on nuked the list. I think he
was, at this stage, sincerely disappointed at the way the list was going
and got fed up and decided to quit. I haven't heard from him since. The
replacement group is crazy_music, okay so far.

Graham

>Wait a minute... I thought the poll was concerning whether the
>tuning-math list should merge with *this* list, and not whether
>it should be reunified with the tuning list.

The poll was conducted from the tuning list. I have no idea why you would
think it would have anything to do with *this* list. Anyway, I hope you and
Carl voted your mind in that poll before it closed.

Hi Bob!

The poll was taken on the tuning list ( tuning@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:tuning@yahoogroups.com> ). It concerned whether the tuning-math list
should be separate from the tuning list. If we decide to keep it separate,
it would seem to make sense to combine the tuning-math list with this list.

-Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Helsloot [mailto:bhelsloot@...]
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 5:06 AM
To: harmonic_entropy@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [harmonic_entropy] list issues

I am sorry to have missed something in these merging-processes. I'm
completely new to the list and so I kept quit to see the regular things.
Could anyone please tell me what you're planning to do; for instance: what
is the other list exactly to be merged with? What can we expect from it?
It's a bit difficult to vote on this if you don't know where it's going to.
If I missed the message refering to this, you me point me in that direction
as well.

Bob
bhelsloot@... <mailto:bhelsloot@...>
BOB'S MUSIC
http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/233/bobs_music.html
<http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/233/bobs_music.html>

On 5/31/01 6:17 PM, "Paul Erlich" < PERLICH@...
<mailto:PERLICH@...> > wrote:

> --- In harmonic_entropy@y... <mailto:harmonic_entropy@y...> , carl@l...
wrote:
>>
>> This could be done by hand, if necessary, for a list as young
>> as he.
>
> I don't see how the "messages" archive could be transferred from one
> list onto another. BTW, I actually created the tuning-math list under
> the view that there might be 2 people would want it seperate. So far
> 3 people have voted that they want it separate. So I suppose I should
> keep it separate, despite the views of the other 15 . . . in which
> case I'd like to merge it with this list. But how to handle the
> message archives?

Robert Walker seems to have a program that can do it all in one shot.

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Thanks!

Bob
bhelsloot@...
BOB'S MUSIC
http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/233/bobs_music.html

Hi Bob!

The poll was taken on the tuning list ( tuning@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:tuning@yahoogroups.com> ). It concerned whether the tuning-math list
should be separate from the tuning list. If we decide to keep it separate,
it would seem to make sense to combine the tuning-math list with this list.

-Paul

I am sorry to have missed something in these merging-processes. I'm
completely new to the list and so I kept quit to see the regular things.
Could anyone please tell me what you're planning to do; for instance: what
is the other list exactly to be merged with? What can we expect from it?
It's a bit difficult to vote on this if you don't know where it's going to.
If I missed the message refering to this, you me point me in that direction
as well.

Bob