Short tour of the Entropic Sea

I'm no software programmer or I'd jump at Paul's suggestion to make an applet that would let
us surf the Entropic Sea. In lieu of that, here's an mp3 of a short tour I took using the
good ship Cool Edit 96. I put out from 1:1:1, cut straight across the waves, dropped anchor
at a few familiar points, and debarked at 2:2:1. Detailed itinerary below.

http://www.egroups.com/files/harmonic_entropy/Finnamore/shorttour1.mp3

Start - End Triads
0:00 0:20 1:1:1 - 6:5:4
0:20 0:30 hold 6:5:4
0:30 0:40 6:5:4 - 15:12:10
0:40 0:50 hold 15:12:10 (the hump just east of 6:5:4)
0:50 1:10 15:12:10 - 9:6:5
1:10 1:20 hold 9:6:5
1:20 1:40 9:6:5 - 8:7:5
1:40 1:50 hold 8:7:5
1:50 2:10 8:7:5 - 2:2:1
2:10 2:20 hold 2:2:1

--
David J. Finnamore
Nashville, TN, USA
http://personal.bna.bellsouth.net/bna/d/f/dfin/index.html
--

--- In harmonic_entropy@egroups.com, "David J. Finnamore"
<daeron@b...> wrote:
> I'm no software programmer or I'd jump at Paul's suggestion to make
an applet that would let
> us surf the Entropic Sea. In lieu of that, here's an mp3 of a
short
tour I took using the
> good ship Cool Edit 96. I put out from 1:1:1, cut straight across
the waves, dropped anchor
> at a few familiar points, and debarked at 2:2:1. Detailed
itinerary
below.
>
>
http://www.egroups.com/files/harmonic_entropy/Finnamore/shorttour1.mp3
>
> Start - End Triads
> 0:00 0:20 1:1:1 - 6:5:4
> 0:20 0:30 hold 6:5:4
> 0:30 0:40 6:5:4 - 15:12:10
> 0:40 0:50 hold 15:12:10 (the hump just east of 6:5:4)
> 0:50 1:10 15:12:10 - 9:6:5
> 1:10 1:20 hold 9:6:5
> 1:20 1:40 9:6:5 - 8:7:5
> 1:40 1:50 hold 8:7:5
> 1:50 2:10 8:7:5 - 2:2:1
> 2:10 2:20 hold 2:2:1

That's really cool -- and especially helpful if one charts the entire
course, noting the "close approaches" to other simple chords, which
are audible unmistakeable. Now, when you drop anchor, perhaps the
ship
should let its momentum carry it a fraction of a cent away from the
just tuning, since your chords are _so_ just that they have that
unpleasant phase-locked effect where various partials end up with
unpredictable amplitudes. It's that "computer JI" thing I talked
about
recently on the tuning list.

Thanks for the tour, David!!!

--- In harmonic_entropy@egroups.com, "David J. Finnamore"
<daeron@b...> wrote:

http://www.egroups.com/message/harmonic_entropy/178

> I'm no software programmer or I'd jump at Paul's suggestion to make
an applet that would let us surf the Entropic Sea. In lieu of that,
here's an mp3 of a short tour I took using the good ship Cool Edit
96.

This is fascinating. Speed it up a little bit and it would make a
great electronic piece! Almost as good as Paul Lansky!

I'll have to figure out how you got Cool Edit to do this. So far,
it's a big mystery!

--- In harmonic_entropy@egroups.com, "Joseph Pehrson"
<josephpehrson@c...> wrote:
> This is fascinating. Speed it up a little bit and it would make a
> great electronic piece! Almost as good as Paul Lansky!

Hmm. Not a bad idea. Sped it up 200%, added double flanger, stereo
echo, and a large hall reverb. I call it "Song of the Air Raid
Sirens." :-) You know, it almost works as a piece of music, even
though it wasn't conceived as one. I guess it all depends on how
loosely you define the term "music." LOL.

Since this egroups interface is going to break the link anyway, I
broke it intentionally between the path and the file name - clicking
the link will give you the directory of that folder. You may then
either scroll down that page and click on the appropriate link, or
copy the file name below, paste it on the end in the address bar and
reload.

http://personal.bna.bellsouth.net/bna/d/f/dfin/audio/
song_of_the_air_raid_sirens_.mp3

David

--- In harmonic_entropy@egroups.com, "David Finnamore" <daeron@b...>
wrote:

http://www.egroups.com/message/harmonic_entropy/202

> Hmm. Not a bad idea. Sped it up 200%, added double flanger,
stereo echo, and a large hall reverb. I call it "Song of the Air
Raid
> Sirens." :-) You know, it almost works as a piece of music, even
> though it wasn't conceived as one. I guess it all depends on how
> loosely you define the term "music." LOL.
>

Don't get me going...

>
> http://personal.bna.bellsouth.net/bna/d/f/dfin/audio/
> song_of_the_air_raid_sirens_.mp3
>
> David

This doesn't work for me! I don't get anything, even copying the
file over. Is there some way you could put it on the egroups site??
You can put it in my OWN directory, if you'd like, if you would
rather be "distanced" a bit from it (!!)

--- In harmonic_entropy@egroups.com, "David Finnamore" <daeron@b...>
wrote:

http://www.egroups.com/message/harmonic_entropy/202

>
> Hmm. Not a bad idea. Sped it up 200%, added double flanger,
stereo
> echo, and a large hall reverb. I call it "Song of the Air Raid
> Sirens." :-) You know, it almost works as a piece of music, even
> though it wasn't conceived as one. I guess it all depends on how
> loosely you define the term "music." LOL.
>

Don't get me going...

> http://personal.bna.bellsouth.net/bna/d/f/dfin/audio/
> song_of_the_air_raid_sirens_.mp3
>
> David

Somehow, I wasn't able to get this to work, although I would enjoy
hearing it. Is there any way you can copy the .mp3 to the egroups
site??

Thanks!

Joseph

--- In harmonic_entropy@egroups.com, "Joseph Pehrson" <pehrson@p...>
wrote:

Sorry for the double post... I didn't think it went through the
first time... it took 1/2 hour just about!

Egroups is slow today...

Joseph wrote,

>Somehow, I wasn't able to get this to work, although I would enjoy
>hearing it. Is there any way you can copy the .mp3 to the egroups
>site??

Joseph, try going to

http://personal.bna.bellsouth.net/bna/d/f/dfin/audio/

and then scroll down and click on

song_of_the_air_raid_..

Does that work?

--- In harmonic_entropy@egroups.com, "Paul H. Erlich" <PERLICH@A...>
wrote:

http://www.egroups.com/message/harmonic_entropy/206

>
> Joseph, try going to
>
> http://personal.bna.bellsouth.net/bna/d/f/dfin/audio/
>
> and then scroll down and click on
>
> song_of_the_air_raid_..
>
> Does that work?

Yeah.... I know at least to do that but, no, it doesn't work. I just
get a "screenful" of numbers, at least on my system here at work.

AND, if I try to COPY the .mp3 to a directory on my hard drive, it
WILL copy, and says it has a certain number of bytes in it (I think
around 800), but when I click it on, all there is is silence!

The other .mp3s that were on the egroups sites and either played
there or copied to my hard drive work fine....

Strange...

David,

It might be more in the spirit of the theory, not to mention sounding more
air-raid-siren-like, if you kept the geometric mean frequency (i.e.,
arithmetic mean cents value) of the three notes constant, rather than
keeping the pitch of the lowest note constant.

Feel free to ignore this remark if you like.

Joseph,

Although the psychedelic colored graphs are of total dyadic concordance,
rather than triadic harmonic entropy, so far, I hope to produce similar
graphs for triadic harmonic entropy soon. Then the peaks should correspond
to the simplest _otonal_ chords -- the lower the geometric mean of the
numbers in the otonal representation, the higher the peak -- and I have a
feeling there won't be any ridges anymore.

-Paul

--- In harmonic_entropy@egroups.com, "Paul H. Erlich" <PERLICH@A...>
wrote:

http://www.egroups.com/message/harmonic_entropy/208

>
> Joseph,
>
> Although the psychedelic colored graphs are of total dyadic
concordance, rather than triadic harmonic entropy, so far, I hope to
produce similar graphs for triadic harmonic entropy soon. Then the
peaks should correspond to the simplest _otonal_ chords -- the lower
the geometric mean of the numbers in the otonal representation, the
higher the peak -- and I have a feeling there won't be any ridges
anymore.
>
> -Paul

Fantastic. This should be great. I'm hoping we can continue this
same procedure of having a great graphic with a wonderful .mp3 sound
file to "tour" it! What an experience!

I wrote,

>> Although the psychedelic colored graphs are of total dyadic
>>concordance, rather than triadic harmonic entropy, so far, I hope to
>>produce similar graphs for triadic harmonic entropy soon. Then the
>>peaks should correspond to the simplest _otonal_ chords -- the lower
>>the geometric mean of the numbers in the otonal representation, the
>>higher the peak -- and I have a feeling there won't be any ridges
>>anymore.

>Fantastic. This should be great. I'm hoping we can continue this
>same procedure of having a great graphic with a wonderful .mp3 sound
>file to "tour" it! What an experience!

There will be no need for a new sound file -- the same sound file will work
equally well, if not somewhat better, with the new graphic. The triads will
be in the same positions -- they will just have different colors, and
heights in the 3-d graph.

--- In harmonic_entropy@egroups.com, "Paul H. Erlich" <PERLICH@A...>
wrote:

http://www.egroups.com/message/harmonic_entropy/213

> There will be no need for a new sound file -- the same sound file
will work equally well, if not somewhat better, with the new graphic.
The triads will be in the same positions -- they will just have
different colors, and heights in the 3-d graph.

Oh! So much the better! Looking forward to it!

--- In harmonic_entropy@egroups.com, "Joseph Pehrson" <pehrson@p...>
wrote:
> --- In harmonic_entropy@egroups.com, "David Finnamore"
<daeron@b...>
> wrote:
> > I guess it all depends on how
> > loosely you define the term "music." LOL.
> >
>
> Don't get me going...

Oh, please. Let's form a new egroups list dedicated soley to the
discussion of the true definition of music.

Tee hee.

David