Re: More talk without action

--- In crazy_music@y..., xed@e... wrote:
/crazy_music/topicId_unknown.html#634

> Carl Lumma is what my friends in high school used to call a
> " ."
> That's slang.
> But it has a clear meaning.
> A " " is someone who is all talk and no action.
> When someone in our high school used to boast about all the
> s he'd gone out with, and how much he knew about all the
> positions, one of my friends would eventually ask this
> character: "So, have you actually f***ed a , Larry?"
> "No," Larry admitted.
> My friends and I would look at each other. Then we'd look at
> Larry. " ," my friends and I would chorus.

I have no way of knowing if you folks are seeing this quote
the same way I am. I'm in the public library using a "filtered"
computer, because it's the only one available in the very
limited time I have right now. A "filtered" computer is one
that is intended for use by children.

Well, I love it for reading Brian's post! If the filtered
words have actually appeared in the above, then I'll simply
tell you all: it turns out that Brian is calling Carl a " "!

Isn't that wonderful?! I can read post after post by Brian,
filled with offensive abusive language, and I can't see any
of it! This is fantastic! I highly recommend that every
subscriber to the crazy_music list save their perusal of
this list for visits to their local library, and be sure
to request the children's computer.

Ah... innocence is so lovely!...

Now, on another note: this language is a *clear* violation
of Yahoo's Terms of Service. If I had time I'd report this
post. Will someone else please do it since I can't?

-monz

Heya, Brian.

I would rather respond to you had you actually addressed any
of the points I raised in my post. Instead, you fired off a
form letter with my name in all the critical places (I will
point out that by some standards, such a dodge would amount
to proof that you were completely smashed by my post and
utterly without a cogent reply). Your form letter is good
enough for this response, but no more, unless you actually
want to discuss music.

> Carl Lumma has never produced even one (1) piece
> of microtonal music so far as I have heard.

So far as you have heard.

> After 7 long years, Carl Lumma has not produced even a
> single finished piece of microtonal music so far as anyone
> can tell.

So far as anyone can tell.

Seems to be getting stronger as you go. Exactly what level
of understanding of my musical activity do you have, Brian?

> Of course Carl Lumma will deny this, and when he does he'll
> be lying.

Really?

> The proof is simple and straightforward: if Carl Lumma has
> produced so many microtonal compositions, where are they?

That's not a very compelling proof, Brian.

> Carl thinks he can get some street cred by typing about
> all the tunings he's never even heard.

Is that what I think? And how do you know I don't tune up
every scale I write about? Do you actually have any data
on this matter whatsoever?

Since you have declared me a liar, you may not believe that
I tune up about 75% of the scales I've written about, and
100% of the scales I've written about in any detail.

> These three jerkoffs tyrannized the Alternative Wanking List
> for 7 long years with upwards of 10 posts per day (Carl Lumma,
> Dave Keenan, Paul Erlich)

I averaged maybe 1 post per day for 3 years, and about 2 posts
per month for the last 6 months, on all lists. Now, Brian, you
may take that data and say anything about it you'd like.

As far as wasting time writing about microtonality, it is a
documented fact that you have spent far more ink on the subject
than I. It is my opinion (as opposed to a documented fact)
that my output is far more useful than yours. Assuming you
disagree, if you have even read my stuff, should this difference
of opinion mean we must be enemies, attacking each other like
diseased carrion-eating mammals?

> Eventually, I will get tired of dealing with people like Lumma.
> Eventually I will tire of the endless sewage-spill of lies and
> verbal attacks hurled at me merely because I cite documented
> facts about microtonality...

Is that what the message I am quoting contained, Brian?
Documented facts about microtonality? Tell me what you think,
honestly.

> Incidentally, Carl, has it occurred to you that Erv Wilson
> is the worst possible person you could pick for a cult guru?
> Erv knows a lot and he's a great guy...but he doesn't
> produce microtonal music. Just as you don't produce actual
> microtonal music, Carl.

Who says Erv is my guru? Who says I care to produce any
microtonal music? What the hell are you talking about?

>You haven't put in *any* of that work, Carl, and as a result
>you can't get away with not composing any microtonal music.

I gather that you consider it impossible that I am sitting on
a body of unpublished microtonal music (whatever that is) as
I write this. Why this is the case, I have no idea. Norman
Henry has a body of microtonal scores and corresponding
recordings that would embarrass the both of us, yet he will
not release them. Can you fathom why?

Since you are in error about even my published work, I will
summarize it for you here:

() 3 years of regular public performance in brass choir.

() 3 years of regular public performance in a cappella
vocal groups.

() 9 megabytes of 128Kbps mp3 (9-limit piano music) published
on mp3.com.

() ~12 megabytes of mp3 (various tuning demos) published to
lumma.org.

() 6 minutes of 15-limit slide guitar published on CD (with
65 minutes of 12-tET music). I built the slide guitar from
scratch and tune it by ear.

() 3.5 minutes of 9-limit brass quartet performed at NYU.

() over 6 hours of 17-limit music recorded featuring me on
9-limit Baldwin organ, over 804 megabytes of wav data of it
published to CD.

() 6 megabytes of 128Kbps mp3 published to lumma.org
(computer performance of MIDI scores).

() 1 short MIDI sequence in 8-tET recorded by you, on your own
equipment. Still have it?

None of this has anything to do with the issues I raised in my
last post. The whole "but he doesn't have any CDs" thing, even
when true, is nothing but poisoning the well. And please don't
confuse me with any of the poor suckers that are actually
offended by your ad hominem nonsense; this will spare you many
keystrokes in the paranoid martyr section of your posts.

Really, Brian, I expected much better from you. I have a
significant degree of respect for your work as both a music
publisher and creator. I have never been shy to invest in your
efforts (I would guess that I outspent all other patrons at
your booth in LA), and I have spoken on your behalf on numerous
occasions. It would sadden me if our professional relationship
were damaged by this nonsense.

-Carl