Yahoo Tuning Groups Ultimate Backup crazy_music Monz's idea---Schoenberg 5 pieces movement 3 stomach-churning chorale

>
>- _Fünf Orchesterstücke_ op 16; my MIDI
> of the first half of the 1st piece is here
> http://www.ixpres.com/interval/monzo/schoenberg/5pcs1.mid
>

Wait up. . . if we're gonna re-tune Schoenberg, what about the 3rd
movement of this piece?

I love that chord. . .it's like, the perfect musical description of light
stomach nausea. . so vivid, I love listening to it (unlike actual stomach
nausea, which I'd rather avoid.)

For those of you who don't know it, it's:

C3-G#-B-E-A4

Let's lattice it baby:

G#
/ \
/ \
A-----E----B
\ /
\ /
C

Aaah, but that's so dull and 5-limit.

Let's try 7-limit:

G#
/ A----E
/ ;
E-----B
/
/
C

Aaaah, those two E's, beating against each other at a
3/2 * 7/4 * 3/2 = 63/64 ratio. How yummy.

Actually, I have no idea what these would sound like.
Does someone have Scala and can drum up some MIDI files?

Maybe, for fun, we could do this with a bunch of 20th-c fave chords. . .I
know Monz already did the Mahler 10 one, and then there's Scriabin Mystic
chord, Stravinsky's Rite-o-Spring chord (E7+Eb7), and others that I'm no
doubt forgetting.

But maybe this is an old idea. . . . forgive me if it's all already been
done.

be well.

***From: Christopher Bailey******************

http://music.columbia.edu/~chris

**********************************************

> From: Christopher Bailey <cb202@...>
> To: <crazy_music@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 7:57 PM
> Subject: [crazy_music] Monz's idea---
> Schoenberg 5 pieces movement 3 stomach-churning chorale
>

>
> >- _Fï¿½nf Orchesterstï¿½cke_ op 16; my MIDI
> > of the first half of the 1st piece is here
> > http://www.ixpres.com/interval/monzo/schoenberg/5pcs1.mid
> >
>
>
> Wait up. . . if we're gonna re-tune Schoenberg, what about the 3rd
> movement of this piece?
>
> I love that chord. . .it's like, the perfect musical description of light
> stomach nausea. . so vivid, I love listening to it (unlike actual stomach
> nausea, which I'd rather avoid.)
>
> For those of you who don't know it, it's:
>
> C3-G#-B-E-A4

Thanks for those lattices, Chris. And of course, you know there
are other possibilities too, given the complexity of Schoenberg's
rational implications.

It would be great to do a retuned version of the 3rd movement of
op 16, but I haven't entered any of the MIDI data for it yet.
That's why I suggested the pieces which I did: I already have
12-EDO MIDI-files for at least portions of them, so it gives
John and others something ready-made to work with.

> Maybe, for fun, we could do this with a bunch of 20th-c fave chords. . .I
> know Monz already did the Mahler 10 one,

Well, I posted approximate rational values for the 12-EDO tuning
of the "Mahler 10th chord" here
> /tuning/topicId_12560.html#12583
> From: " Monz" <MONZ@J...>
> Date: Sun Sep 10, 2000 10:02 am
> Subject: Mahler 10th chord (was: "vibe" similar to that produced by Art
Tatum?)

But I never actually retuned it to anything other than 12-EDO.
I would like to, but there are so many possibilities...

Since you brought it up, I went back and looked at my Tuning List
post from last September, and have added a correction and some new
info, as well as a link to my new mp3 of the 12-EDO version of the
chord: Thu Jul 19, 2001 11:15 am GMT,
</tuning/topicId_12560.html#26315>.

As I state there, another reason I haven't yet retuned this is:
I don't have enough MIDI channels.

Hey John, can you do a retuning of this? Here's the MIDI link:
<http://www.ixpres.com/interval/monzo/mahler/10th1-ch.mid>.

-monz
http://www.monz.org
"All roads lead to n^0"

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Monz's idea---Schoenberg 5 pieces movement 3 stomach-churning chorale

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