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--- In crazy_music@y..., xed@e... wrote:

>
> Joseph Pehrson's apparent assumption that if the music
sounds "electronic" it could not be a live concert performance
probably reflects the prevailing ideas about live new music concerts
in New
> York. Many folks have mentioned that live synths in new music
> performances in New York remain rare. In San Diego and elsewhere
on the West Coast they are common, while in San Francisco live
computer muisc is commonplace during live concerts of new music. (In
SF the computers generate music in real time in response to
compositional algorithms controlled by mouse and hand movements of
the composers.)

Thanks to Brian mclaren for this clarification. I do believe it's
true that concerts in New York tend to be *either* acoustic *or*
electronic but not so much mixed, for the most part. There are
*some* of course, but it really sounds like the West Coast does more
of this. This is particularly encouraging since the combining of
acoustic instruments and electronic sounds is one of the things that
I happen to be, suddently, VERY interested in....

> Joseph Pehrson asked if there's a way to hear longer
examples of my compositions instead of these brief snippets.
> Yes. Buy CDs of my music. I have 12 for sale.

Well, that makes sense (and $ and CENTS for you!) so that's fine. I
already have CD #6, but I will be interested in some of the others at
some point. If a catalogue or description of the CDs could somehow
be forwarded to me, it would be very helpful in my future purchasing.

Believe it or not, I wrote about buying some of the CDs to
the "IMPOSTER" Brian mclaren on the Alternate Tuning List...
Naturally, it didn't amount to much that way...

Curiously enough, the CD that I have enjoyed the VERY MOST is the
mclaren "Introduction to Microtonality..."

This was curious since I ASSUMED it was elementary, and something
that I would already know...

WRONG.... BEEP

It was FILLED with observations I had never heard or thought of.

Everybody interested in microtonality should get a copy of that CD!

_______ ______ _______
Joseph Pehrson

In posting 385, McLaren wrote:

"Geroge Zelenz is aboslutely 100% correct when he
points out that the words I falsely and incorrectly
attributed to him actually belong to Rick McGowan."

Hmmm. Since my name has come up in connection with this, I just checked to
see what this conversation is all about. What McLaren wrote, in message 347
was:

"So none of us should be surprised that
George Zelenz has now weighed in with his
2 cents on the side of obscurantism and
superstition. "I don't see one whit of
differnce between mclaren and the other
people..." Zelenz claims."

Oh! Wait a minute. Excuse me, but that is actually a misquote of my
posting (and taken out of context to boot) so I can't let it slide by without
comment.

McLaren, you of all people who do so much finger-pointing about evidence,
etc, in other peoples' postings should make extraordinary effort to get it
right yourself. I'm sure you usually do. You yourself, in posting number
347, wrote:

"I always provide hard evidence for my claims."

Please continue to do so. It's one of your hallmarks. Please especially do
so if you're going to quote people on this list, where any of us can quickly
look up the posting to verify the quote. The posting is available on-line,
and before quoting me or George, you could have looked up who wrote what.

So please allow me to correct the record. For comparison with your
incorrect paraphrase above, what I wrote in message 324, was precisely this:

"I'm sorry to say McLaren comes off
sounding not a whit better than anyone
whom he's railing against."

I was referring to a passage, immediately ABOVE that in the same message, in
which I stated:

"I'm just a bystander who's getting really
tired of long-winded rambling diatribes and
accusations back and forth... on _ALL_ sides."

I was not talking about anyone's music theories or anti-theories or
superstition or obscurantism at all. I was not defending anyone's position.
I was not talking about evidence, or lack of evidence, or even about the
subject of music. I was talking about your accusative rhetorical tone and
the effusive length of your postings, and the subsequent long, defensive
postings that people apparently feel inclined to make in return. That's all.
I was not making a comment on the subjects that were being discussed. I
was commenting on the tone and volume of the discussion itself, not on the
topic of discussion.

And this is an example of a long, defensive posting that I feel compelled to
make for having been misquoted as well as misconstrued. And I would not
have to waste so m uch time making this defense if you weren't being so
overbearing and aggressive in the rhetorical tone of your postings.

At any rate, I'm glad to see you apologized to George for putting words in
his mouth.

Cheers,

Rick

Re: arcana & incunabula

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