Re: Monzo's efforts

[mclaren wrote:]
>In Message 16 of Digest 32, Joe Monzo made a fool of himself by
>making deliberate statements which are not true. Either Joe Monzo
>was lying outright, or he is pervasively ignorant of Arnold
>Schoenberg's writings.

In my book the only people who make fools of themselves are the ones
who launch off on gratuitous rants. Monz is a scholar who knows a great
deal about music history, more, I would guess, than some others who
seem to believe that they, and they alone, have a lock on Truth. Have
you ever thought that a courteous response is more effective than
hurling insults? Or is the problem that being nasty is just more "fun"?

>It's so simple and so easy to prove that Schoenberg's foolish
>claims are false that it's insulting to even to have descend to this
>kind of kindegarten level to prove these obvious facts.

Poor baby! So sorry that you had to "descend" to the level of mere
mortals!

>apparently that's what people like Joe Monzo require -- the
>kindergarten level.

If Monzo is in kindergarten, some others have yet to be toilet trained,
if their bathroom habits are as uncontrolled as their words.

>So the larger point here is that Schoenberg was triply ignorant
>and triply arrogant and triply incompetent

There's a lot of that going around.

>arrogant incompetent ignorami like Arnold Schoenberg would be left
>to sit by the freeway holding a big cardboard sign reading WILL
>SPOUT ARROGANT GIBBERISH FOR FOOD.

At last we seem to have arrived at a topic you know a great deal about!

>Schoenberg made this foolishly false statement not just once, but
>several times

But not as many times as you've repeated your insults in this single
post, I would bet.

>At this point it behooves everyone to notice that the attack dogs
>on this discussion group

Whom you identify as Graham Breed, Joe Monzo, and myself. If we are
"attack dogs", what are you?

>have produced no music recently, and they
>have not yet released even one (1) single CD of their music between
>them.
>Joe Monzo has produced no CDs of his music, and of course John
>deLaubenfels has produced no CDs of his music.

Wow, you must be psychic! You must be God himself to know such a thing.
It's wrong, as it happens.

>Meanwhile, I continue to produce CDs of my music. My latest CD,
>now more than halfway finished, continues toward completion at a
>rapid pace. By contrast, neither of three attack dogs on this
>discussion have produced any music lately as far as anyone can
>discern.

Perhaps if you asked rather than ranting, you would be better informed.
BTW, I'm glad (and I'm sure Monz and Graham are too) that you're
producing CD's, especially if the music is any good.

>While I continue to upload works in progress, Joe Monzo has
>uploaded nothing lately. Graham Breed has uploaded nothing. John
>deLaubenfels has uploaded nothing. Instead of creating music, these
>three attack dogs spew gibberish supported by ignorant fallacies and
>outright lies.

I have uploaded many things. Perhaps you've been too busy to notice.
My work is on my web page, which remains at the same address as it's
been all the times I've reported it to you. But I don't believe you're
interested, are you? It's so much easier to say that something doesn't
exist than to acknowledge it, and perhaps actually take the effort to
make an intelligent critique of it. Any such effort could cut seriously
into the precious hours spent ranting.

>Why have Joe Monzo and Graham Breed and John deLaubenfels
>produced no music during the last couple of weeks, in which I produced
>3 new musical compositions?

>Simple -- because it takes an incredible amount of time and
>energy and effort to defend ignorant fools like Arnold Schoenberg
>from the consequences of their own folly. It takes fantastic amounts
>of mental calisthenics and stupefying amounts of ingenuity to argue
>out of existence by mere words Hermann Helmholtz's pervasive errors
>-- especially when Helmholtz's false claims contradict so obviously
>and so audibly everyday musical experience, as in Helmholtz's
>laughable claim that "the minor chord sound more dissonant than the
>major" and "the minor mode is musically inferior to the major."

This is funny - how much time does it take to write one of your multi-
hundred line rants? Some of us also have to work for a living, BTW.
But we still manage to find time to make music, and the fact that you
state over and over that we do not does not change this.

As for minor mode: I happen to like music in minor, but at the same time
Helmholtz is right to say that a major triad is more consonant than a
minor triad, IMHO. That's my ears, not theory. So Helmholtz was right,
about this as about so much.

>the latter-day musical prelates Joe Monzo and John DeLaubenfels waste
>their lives in a near-hysterical effort to conjure out of existence
>by elaborate and incoherent arguments the masssive errors and
>obviously audible fallacies of their respective cult leaders --
>Arnold Schoenberg and Hermann Helmholtz.

Talk about the pot calling the kettle black! But perhaps your writing
shouldn't be labeled "near-hysterical"; that wouldn't be giving it
enough "credit"!

>Standard stuff. It's an old story. On every discussion group,
>there are always a bunch of do-nothing know-nothing people who never
>create -- they only destroy. They can't build up, they can only tear
>down.

Now this is getting downright weird. Ever read your own stuff? But of
course you give yourself special permission to be a divine destroyer,
don't you?

>But music is not communication. Music has nothing to do with
>communication. Music involves emotions and wordless evocative
>impressions. This is not communication, it's art.

Saying it's art doesn't mean it isn't communication.

>Bottom line?

>Schoenberg is a pimple on the ass of music. Schoenberg is a turd
>in a flaming paper bag on the doorstep of music history, and it is
>demeaning even to step on him in order to put the fire out.

Gee, then why do you "demean" yourself in this way? It's a tough job,
but somebody's got to do it, eh?

I'm still hoping we might see mclaren the grown-up some day.

JdL