New music uploaded, multi-system music

Hi all
New music is uploaded in:
http://www.esnips.com/web/acousticsoftombak-Musicfolder

Polymicro-1 </doc/60afb3e7-1d31-4274-aa49-79e68b2b9ab7/Polymicro-1>
This microtonal piece is composed in baran scale and its 24-EDO version.polymicrotonal , multimicrotonal or multi-system music?
What term must we use for changing system in music, (like modulation in changing key)?
For Baran scale click here </web/Shaahinsmicrotonaldocumentfolder> .

Shaahin Mohajeri

Tombak Player & Researcher , Microtonal Composer

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Shaahin Mohajeri in Wikipedia شاهين مهاجري دردائره المعارف ويكي پديا <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaahin_mohajeri>

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> Hi all
> New music is uploaded in:
>
http://www.esnips.com/web/acousticsoftombak-Musicfolder
>
> Polymicro-1
>
> This microtonal piece is composed in baran scale and
> its 24-EDO version.polymicrotonal , multimicrotonal
> or multi-system music?
> What term must we use for changing system in music,
> (like modulation in changing key)?

Hi Shaahin, thanks, that's a very interesting piece.

I use polytonal or polymicrotonal if using multiple
different tunings simultaneously.

I use modulation if I am shifting to a new tonality
but using the same scale as before.

Secor already mentioned to you elsewhere that Ivor
Darreg would transfer between scales if he was
modulating to a completely different system. That's a
reasonable term, as is your term transformation which
is just as good, if that is what you are doing -
completely changing from one scale to another.

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Hi scott

and thank you to hear it and your comments.

Shaahin Mohajeri

Tombak Player & Researcher , Microtonal Composer

My web site?? ???? ????? ?????? <http://240edo.googlepages.com/>

My farsi page in Harmonytalk ???? ??????? ?? ??????? ??? <http://www.harmonytalk.com/mohajeri>

Shaahin Mohajeri in Wikipedia ????? ?????? ??????? ??????? ???? ???? <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaahin_mohajeri>

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From: crazy_music@yahoogroups.com [mailto:crazy_music@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of X. J. Scott
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 6:18 AM
To: crazy_music@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [cm] Polymicro-1

> Hi all
> New music is uploaded in:
>
http://www.esnips.com/web/acousticsoftombak-Musicfolder <http://www.esnips.com/web/acousticsoftombak-Musicfolder>
>
> Polymicro-1
>
> This microtonal piece is composed in baran scale and
> its 24-EDO version.polymicrotonal , multimicrotonal
> or multi-system music?
> What term must we use for changing system in music,
> (like modulation in changing key)?

Hi Shaahin, thanks, that's a very interesting piece.

I use polytonal or polymicrotonal if using multiple
different tunings simultaneously.

I use modulation if I am shifting to a new tonality
but using the same scale as before.

Secor already mentioned to you elsewhere that Ivor
Darreg would transfer between scales if he was
modulating to a completely different system. That's a
reasonable term, as is your term transformation which
is just as good, if that is what you are doing -
completely changing from one scale to another.

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> Hi scott
>
> and thank you to hear it and your comments.
>
>
> Shaahin Mohajeri

Hey Shahin,

I've been listening to it several more times and it
keeps getting better. The composition itself reminds
me a little bit of Prent Rogers' style in some of his
pieces.

It's really amazing that you used a pretty out-there
tuning and combined it with 24 (which is kind of a
yucky tuning in my opinion) and made something that
makes sense and sounds cool, so really good work
there.

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Hi dear scott

yucky?I respect your opinion , but i dont agree with you.17of24-EDO is a good frame work for radif music.
i'm working on pythagorean and aristoxenian basis of 24-EDO and very interesting results for me.
it is very interesting that peoples , never seen each other , from different cultures and life period , can reach to something very common. music is the language of unity.
thank you for saying that , again.

Shaahin Mohajeri

Tombak Player & Researcher , Microtonal Composer

My web site?? ???? ????? ?????? <http://240edo.googlepages.com/>

My farsi page in Harmonytalk ???? ??????? ?? ??????? ??? <http://www.harmonytalk.com/mohajeri>

Shaahin Mohajeri in Wikipedia ????? ?????? ??????? ??????? ???? ???? <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaahin_mohajeri>

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From: crazy_music@yahoogroups.com [mailto:crazy_music@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of X. J. Scott
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 10:59 AM
To: crazy_music@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [cm] Polymicro-1

> Hi scott
>
> and thank you to hear it and your comments.
>
>
> Shaahin Mohajeri

Hey Shahin,

I've been listening to it several more times and it
keeps getting better. The composition itself reminds
me a little bit of Prent Rogers' style in some of his
pieces.

It's really amazing that you used a pretty out-there
tuning and combined it with 24 (which is kind of a
yucky tuning in my opinion) and made something that
makes sense and sounds cool, so really good work
there.

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Hi Mohajeri,

> yucky?I respect your opinion , but i dont agree with
> you.17of24-EDO is a good frame work for radif music.

Yes, I do know that 24 is commonly used particularly
for arabic maqamat and in that context it sounds
great. I also, as I said, thought that your piece was
great and didn't remind me of 24 at all.

In the west, 24 is handled very differently from how
it is handled in the middle-east. Here, typically
24tET appears in 'quartertone' music, which often
enough is two pianos in 12tET tuned 50 cents apart.
This was one of the easiest microtonal tunings to use
in practice by modern composers since it did not
require any specially constructed instruments, or even
any special tuning techniques, you just needed a
tuning fork a quarter-tone from A440 to start with,
tune two pianos the normal way, and you're all set.

Composers working for this arrangement tried hard to
stay away from anything that sounds like it might be
in 12. That often meant that a lot of extreme
dissonance and unpleasant intervals were used, as well
as chord progressions that seemed to be completely
random and inharmonic.

These were the first pieces that were advertised as
'microtonal' in the western art world, and they caused
many audiences to reject microtonality completely as
they associated it with the unpleasantness they heard
during these concerts. Even today, people will say
they "hate microtonality" because they heard some of
these pieces in a music appreciation class where they
were told that this was what microtonality was about -
raucousness, inharmonicity, anger and unpleasantry.

But as you've shown, this western tradition of 24 is
not the only way to approach it microtonally, and that
is a very good thing!

- xj

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